Can we get an answer to the question of who plays the third guitar that doubles the bass line during the chorus of While My Guitar Gently Weeps?
Some people say that it must be John playing octaves on his Epiphone Casino because he is credited to playing guitar on the song. Others swear that the warm tone and the perfectly synced octaves could realistically only have been produced by George's Rickenbacker 12 string. While there is no official record of George playing his Rickenbacker after 1966, it seems highly unlikely that John would have been willing to contribute so much to one of George's songs, especially after John had already played organ on the backing track and is also believed to have used his Fender 6 string bass to double the verse sections of Paul's bassline to create a thicker bass sound. I haven't been able to find any concrete answers as to who plays this guitar part, so I figured I might as well try asking here. Edit: I mean bridge not chorus
One of the guitarists I play with, let's call him Muffin, thinks you can simply EQ my basses to sound the same. For whatever asinine reason(maybe it's pride), he has decided to die on the hill that he can make my Rickenbacker 4003 sound just like my Warwick Thumb, and could make them sound like a Pbass if he wanted to. He also completely discredits that they have a voice of their own, or that different strings change the tone. He thinks he can EQ that as well. It makes me fucking crazy, but for the sake of the music we make, I just sort of nod my head at this point. Understanding EQ is important. I've played for a long time, in lots of different bands, in lots of different scenarios and you need to know how to match a room on the fly. HOWEVER. Telling me that you don't think there are tonal differences between, say, a EBMM Stingray and a Hofner Beatle bass and that "eh, a bass is a bass. The pickups are all the same shit" is wildly uninformed and blind to my experience as a bassist. I don't pretend to know the discrepancies in guitar tones, but I do know there's a reason you never saw someone like Dime up there shredding an Epiphone Casino between bottles of Jack Daniels. Long read? Yes. Worth bitching about? Probably not. Happy Fender Friday!
John Lennon's Epiphone Casino, Paul McCartney's Hofner Violin Bass, Jimmy Page's Dragon Telecaster & #1 Les Paul (both have incredible histories), Slash's Appetite for Destruction Les Paul (it's a fake Gibson), David Gilmour's Black Strat (currently holds the record for the most expensive guitar ever sold), Bob Dylan's Newport Fest Strat (crazy cool story), Bruce Springsteen's Fender Esquire, B.B. King's original Lucille, Jimi Hendrix's White Strat, Pete Townsend's #5 Les Paul (which I've actually seen the reminants of) Just to name a few...
My uncle has a Gibson SG he paid for with his student loan. After playing on it for an hour, I thought "It sounds nice, but there's not enough difference for £4,000." My uncle also has an Epiphone Casino, my dad has a Fender strat and a couple of Fender basses and my cousin has a Gibson Les Paul. Again, they sound great, but the difference isn't substantial enough to fork out £500-4,000. I have a Peavey Raptor Series II. Before that I had a Yamaha Pacifica. Effortless to get a nice sound out of it, a pleasure to play on. It's like buying a £4,000 PC to play Skyrim. You can get away with £800. Unnecessary. Overkill.
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[QUESTION]What do you recommend for finger and hand health and dexterity?
I am 66 years old and really enjoying playing the guitar and bass guitar after neglecting it for 25 years. No arthritis, yet. But I'm concerned that I may start to lose physical ability and speed. The resources on the internet are astounding, (I learned from Laura Weber on PBS) and I can finally afford decent gear (Gretsch short staff bass, Epiphone Casino). But now Father Time may throw a wrench into my joyful sunset years. What can an old lady do to maintain manual dexterity?
[DISCUSSION] Others who play a less common guitar, what made you want to choose that instrument?
I am primarily a Rickenbacker player these days. My first electric guitar was a Telecaster and I will always love Teles but I wanted a bigger and warmer sound with a stronger low end, I tried putting a Gibson humbucker on the bridge but it went too far in the other direction, not enough clarity or treble. To be perfectly honest I thought that Rickenbacker mostly made basses and never thought about playing one but in the summer between sophomore and junior year at college I was at a music store, picked up a 330/6 and it clicked, it was bright like a Tele but never got shrill, has a much warmer sound and very nice low mids which is a frequency range that I find most other single coils to be lacking in. The only problem I had with the 330/6 was that it did lack sustain and fed back some, which is why I wound up getting a 620/6 at the beginning of last year. Here is a photo that I just took on my phone of it. I’m just curious, I love Fenders and I really like some Gibsons but Strats, Teles and Les Pauls are the standard electric guitars that most people use, followed by Ibanez, PRS and Jackson for heavy metal players, so when I see someone with a less common guitar, be it a less common Fender or Gibson like a Starcaster or Epiphone Casino or a Rickenbacker, Gretsch, Guild, Musicman, Schechter, Danelectro etc. I always wonder what made them choose it.
Pretty happy with my current setup which is mostly Nash/Casino/LP->pedal->Vox. https://imgur.com/a/SJHfvKa Guitars (L-R) Partscaster telecaster (all-parts neck, double bound MJT body, "closet-clean" relicing with custom wound PAF in neck) Danelectro 12-string Squier J Mascis Jazzmaster (only mod is sanded down neck) Nash T-52 MIK Epiphone Casino (swapped in Kent Armstrong low output p90s, stripped finish from neck) 80s Burny Super Grade Les Paul Partscaster CoodercasteStratocaster (w/Fralin Big Single in bridge) Epiphone viola bass MIM Fender P-bass Pedals Ditto looper Donner Delay Boss CS-3 Compressor Xotic EP Booster Ibanez mini TS Boss BD-2 Boss TU-3 Amps Vox AC15 stock Fender Deluxe Reverb Reissue (with Eminence GA10-SC64, Tung Sol powers/pres, Z bake attenuator That's most of it not including a couple older guitars, any acoustics, and practice amps.
I wanted to share my latest pedal-filled album (and answer your pedal/recording questions)
Hey pedal people. Almost 2 years ago I shared my first album with this sub. The reception was very positive, so I thought I'd share my follow-up! Here's a link to Bandcamp (totally free), and I finally got my music on Spotify (thanks, DistroKid). This time it's even more spacey, ambient, chaotic, and effects-heavy. The basic style touches on post-rock, indie, ambient, and progressive. If you're into bands like Radiohead, EITS, 65daysofstatic, Hammock, The Dear Hunter, Mogwai, or Porcupine Tree, you might like it. It took me nearly 2 years to write and record this, and the process started before I even released my last album. I totally changed my guitar setup this time - just about everything was recorded DI from my Bassbreaker 15 and Yamaha THR, with cab-sim applied in post. Bass was recorded with a Sansamp BDDI. Only drums were mic'd up. Going DI made things much easier and gave me more time to focus on production. This is also the first time I recorded in stereo, which made a huge difference for ambient swells and drones. I took a lot more influence from ambient and classical artists in general, such as Hammock and Olafur Arnalds, which I think you can hear in the pads and strings throughout the album. To keep this focused on pedals, here's the basic signal chain I used for most of the songs. I'll bold pedals that were used frequently. Mooer Yellow Comp > EHX Pitchfork > Bearfoot HoneyBee > Walrus Mayflower > Spruce Effects Saltwater Fuzz > BAT Pharaoh > Catalinbread Montavillian > Strymon El Capistan > EHX Small Stone > Strymon Flint > Empress Reverb (stereo out). Other gear included an EQD Dirt Transmitter, Red Panda Context, ss/bs Mini, Foxpedal Defector, and some other random gear. Guitars were mostly an American Special Tele, Classic Player Jazzmaster, Hagstrom Viking, and a Squier Jaguar bass. I also used an Epiphone Casino and a modded HSS Strat on a couple songs. Please feel free to ask about the effects, gear, or production techniques I used on any part of the album. This is guitarpedals after all, so if you want to know the pedals at 1:27 in a specific song, ask away. I'd also be happy to share some advice on recording from home if you want to start producing your own music. Thanks for listening, and happy pedaling!
How can I minimise feedback issues when playing my hollow bodied bass and singing?
My primary bass is a hollow body, Gretsch 6070 and our guitarist also plays a hollow bodied instrument, an Epiphone Casino. We love the way that they sound but the feedback issues that we both experience are terrible and extremely limiting. We both sing so we have microphones in front of us and when we were using valve condensers it was awful squeals no matter what but now that we are using ribbon microphones with a figure 8 capturing pattern it’s a bit better, but we still have to stay in place relative to the microphone or it will feedback, that puts a lot of boundaries on our live performances because we can’t move around. The obvious ‘solution’ of using a solid instrument when singing won’t work because we both sing on almost every track and our instruments are a big part of our sound. What can we do?
[DISCUSSION] What does your collection and/or wishlist look like? What should every guitarist have in their collection/wishlist?
I don't know if I'll ever be able to tick all of these off, but right now my wishlist is basically broken down into two parts; realistic, short-medium term guitar goals and a whole bunch of "in-the-event-of-financial-windfalls" dream/"fuck it let's go crazy" purchases. I'm not too interested in collecting a bunch of Strats just because they're really vintage; I want just about every guitar I buy in my life to serve its own unique purpose and have its own personality. But first, my collection;
Cort M600, sunburst, currently tuned to C standard. Pretty good for Kyuss, QOTSA and stoner rock in general (it even looks similar to Josh Homme's iconic Ovation Ultra GP). Not sure how it'd go for standard tuning songs cos I downtuned it the instant I got it and never tuned it back up. Haven't properly played it in several months due to both my main amp and a backup practice amp carking it (I plan on getting a Boss Katana 50 to go with the Squier Strat).
Yamaha F130. Needs to be restrung, but I'm too poor to buy strings and every time I try to restring it by following a guide I end up breaking the replacements so it sits unused in my room.
Yamaha C40. Currently my main guitar while my other two are out of action. Solid classical guitar, can't say much else about it.
Now, onto the wishlist. Part A:
Squier Vintage Modified 70s Stratocaster
Epiphone Les Paul 100
Squier Affinity Jazz Bass (or equivalent/better)
SquieFender Telecaster in butterscotch blonde or sunburst
SquieFender Jazzmaster in sea foam/surf green or red
SquieFender Jaguar in tri-colour sunburst
SquieFender Mustang in vintage white with tortoiseshell pickguard
Fender Jazz Bass (to replace the Squier, depending on how I like Jazz basses)
Rickenbacker 330/335 in black (fat chance)
Hofner 500/1 Bass Guitar (AKA the Beatles Bass Guitar)
Something from Ibanez for dat classic Superstrat metal shredding tone
Yamaha Revstar in yellow
Twelve string acoustic/electric guitar
Martin/Maton/Cole Clark acoustic which will eventually replace my Yamaha F130
Thin acoustic guitar for easy travelling (e.g, Guild Songbird)
I played a Gretsch for the first time a couple months ago, can't remember what it was but it was bright red, lightweight and felt awesome to play so once I find out what it was I'll add it to the list
Parlor acoustic guitar
Microtonal guitar, because why not it's not like this list is crazy long enough as it is
TL;DR: Post your collections and wishlists. Give feedback and make suggestions for additional gear other users may want to consider adding to their collection/wishlist.
The bass track of WMGGW is way more complicated than it seems
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6Mbo1A7qis In the spirit of the White Album remaster, I stumbled upon an isolated While My Guitar Gently Weeps bass track from Rock Band on youtube. I expected to hear Paul's usual brilliance chugging away on his Fender Jazz Bass, but to my surprise, there are clearly two different bass guitars being played at the same time: one with a deeper, fuller tone (likely Paul on his Fender Jazz) and one with a punchier, thinner tone (probably George on the Fender Bass VI). Then to my even greater surprise, there is an electric 12-string being played during the bridges. It's a bit buried in the original recording and I assumed it was Paul double tracking his bass line an octave higher on his Epiphone Casino (this was a technique he was experimenting with at the time), but the isolated track shows that it is quite clearly a 12-string, most likely George playing one of his Rickenbackers. Until now, I had assumed George had retired his Rickenbacker 12-strings after If I Needed Someone, so it was pretty mind-blowing to discover that he had used them on The White Album as well. Lots of stuff going on in this song! Looks like George was creating "walls of sound" before he worked with Phil Spector.
[Gear] How do the P90s on an Epiphone Casino sound in comparison to single coils on a solid body guitar?
I really want a hollow bodied guitar, but I am definitely a person who prefers single coil pickups and I am finding that pretty much no fully hollow electric guitars have them, aside from some models of the Gibson ES-175 and Fender Coronados made between 1966 and 1972, both are way beyond my budget. The Epiphone Casino has P90s which are closer to traditional single coils than humbuckers so I suppose that’s my first choice, but my guitar store doesn’t stock any guitars with P90s so I have no way of trying them, so that’s why I am asking. I play country music, my amp is a Fender Champ with the bass rolled down to 1 or 2 depending on if I’m playing fast or slow and the treble up to 9. So how does the Epiphone Casino sound for me?
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